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Winwood's research mediums but then

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there would be worms and we didn't think

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that they would like that so we threw in

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the sea so the mediums go through this

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eight step process that we they fill out

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a questionnaire we do psychological

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tests they they're interviewed a number

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of times and then the big one is step 5

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they do test it they do blinded test

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ratings for a deceased so that's the big

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one and then if they pass step five they

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go on to six seven and eight which are

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training so they're trained in the

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history of mediumship research they take

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the online human subjects research

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training that all investigators are

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required to take and then we train them

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about grief because all of the people

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that they work with are grieving people

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so the next method that I was talking

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about is pairing so historically when

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people did mediumship research they

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often sort of randomly selected five

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dead people and their respective sitters

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and they made a medium read you know all

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five and then they gave the five

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readings to each of the five people and

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they said pick yours but what if all of

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those five people you know were

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grandmother's who liked to bake and so

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and we're short and you know what how

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would you pick your reading so we

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specifically pair two deceased people to

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be as different as possible in physical

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and personality description and how they

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spent their time their hobbies and such

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and cause of death and actually on the

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airplane on the way here I was the

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gentleman next me made the mistake of

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asking me what I did and we he was a

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graduate student in psychology and so he

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was very interested and so we got into

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all of these methods and he said well

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then isn't it obvious which reading is

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yours and I said only if the medium is

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doing what she says she's doing only if

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it's real is it obvious so we again we

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want to optimize the process for the

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sitter so if you have two deceased

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people who are very similar that's not

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really testing a sitters ability to

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distinguish between the two so I talked

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about screening and pairing and having

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it go through a tube

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how do we how do we do a reading with a

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medium and it'll cover these other

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methods so first we start with a medium

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who is blinded to all information about

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the deceased and the sitter and the

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medium and I set up a phone appointment

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and I call the medium up and and I'm

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also blinded to all information about

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the deceased and the sitter and all we

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have is first name so I say for in this

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example the discarnates name is Suzy and

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the medium does a reading on the phone

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just she and I on the phone you might

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notice when I talk about mediums to

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generalize I use she I use the feminine

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and that's because 90% of the mediums

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that we work with or that I've

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encountered our female we have one male

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medium and he is given his permission to

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always ishii and not be affected so just

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the medium and I on the phone we do a

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reading and where I specifically asked

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the medium about Suzy's physical and

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personality descriptions how she spent

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her time in and cause of death and we

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get the Suzy reading and then at another

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time we do another reading for the

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paired discarnate the paired just kind

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of they're always at the same gender so

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that you can't distinguish your reading

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if it talks about a mustache though I

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said that to Dean Radin once and he said

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well some people's grandmother might

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have a mustache so that wouldn't be so

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then I take the audio recordings of

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those two readings and I transcribe them

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and format them into individual item

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lists so that each numbered item is a

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individual piece of information and I

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take out all reference to the names and

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I make everything of a definitive

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statement so if the mediums experiences

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her hair was red I say she had red hair

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you know say true or false to maybe kind

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of a little bit so I make them

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definitive statements and so then I I'm

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work we create item lists a and B or one

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and each of those two

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lists are given to the two respective

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sitters you know Suzie's husband and

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sitter's happen to be and they don't

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all the names have been removed and they

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give each item in the list a score and

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would be an example so they five and two

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and one and four just the examples in

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this in this slide and then so they give

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each item a score the whole reading a

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score and we say pick which one you

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think was yours and that whole process

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is Quin couple blinded so the medium is

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blinded to information about the

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discarnate in the sitter the sitters are

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blinded to which reading was intended

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who trains and screens and consents the

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sitters at the very beginning is blinded

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to who which medium reads which sitters

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and the experimenter who is me who talks

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to the medium on the phone during the

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reading is blinded to the information

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about the sitter of the discarnate and

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the experimenter who interacts with the

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sitters during scoring is blinded to

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which reading is which and who read who

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and when I explained this to one of our

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mediums she said so no one knows

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anything and I said yeah that's pretty

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much it so this this is a skeptic this

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expression you may have encountered

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yourself this quintuple blind protocol

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accounts for all the normal explanations

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that skeptics will throw out fraud how

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is the medium going to look up your

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credit card number or sift through your

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trash or whatever if all she has is a

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first name of the deceased person it

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prevents queueing either intentional or

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unintentional on the part of the

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experimenter who's interacting with the

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medium you know if the medium says I'm

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feeling pain in the chest area I can't

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say do you make kidney cancer like I

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can't drive her and the right answer is

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good I don't know I don't know anything

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about the discarnate it prevents what's

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called rater bias some people have a

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tendency to score things as either you

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know everything's right and some people

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have a tendency to score everything is

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wrong and we don't we're not looking at

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some there's a bar of success that we're

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looking at we just compare the scores

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given that keep that sitter's give their

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own readings compared to scores that

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sitters give to the other reading and

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we're just looking at the difference

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between the two so when sitters don't

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know which reading is theirs it prevents

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reader bias where people have a tendency

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to score things higher or lower if they

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know that they were intended for them it

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prevents the theory that mediums

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readings are so general they could apply

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to anyone because we ask those specific

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questions about the living person so

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they can't get away with the person

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misses you and they love you 100%

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correct that we they make them answer

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these specific questions and then it

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prevents what's called cold reading

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which is when a fraudulent medium uses

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cues visual auditory body language cues

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from the sitter to fabricate an action

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accurate reading so this is my favorite

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example of a experiment or a situation

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that includes all of these things so

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this is talking to the dead with your

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host rat so it's a John Edwards style

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studio audience there and so

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says is there a Karen in the studio

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audience tonight so there he already has

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information about the sitter yes it's me

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I'm here with my brother and he says and

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I've told you have a cousin who's passed

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and now he also has a relationship of

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the discarnate and they say yes we do he

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says wait wait I think he's here I think

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it's him he's telling me when his life

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and it his heart stopped yes that's true

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his heart stopped and I think I'm seeing

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his face did your cousin did he have a

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forehead yes and it says whoa hang on

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I'm getting his name it's it's is it is

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it Bob and I think it's him we love you

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Bob but their shirts saying we miss you

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contacted this artist and I have

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permission to to use this so we can we

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can rule out all of those normal

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explanations that skeptics put forth by

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for explaining a medium success and so

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what we're left with our three

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paranormal explanations the first being

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survival of consciousness that there's

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life after death and some aspect of me

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continues to exist after my body dies

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then there's what's called the psychic

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reservoir hypothesis which states that

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all information since the beginning of

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time is stored somehow and somewhere in

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the universe and mediums are just

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accessing that the other day I heard

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someone call it the hard drive the

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universal hard drive I mean getting

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their information and so this is similar

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to Jung's collective unconscious the

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Akashic record it that's the same sort

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of idea Yeats spiritus mundi those all

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are sort of explaining the same thing